Being a Non-Anxious Presence. When facing difficult circumstances, maintaining a non-anxious presence is one of the keys to minimizing angst when leading any change – from a congregational transformation to rearranging the fellowship hall. In this episode, Drs. Bill and Kris offer guidance on how to achieve this illusive behavior. With special guest, Church-Talk’s own on-call counselor, Dr. Bob Eichenberger.